Star Trek II and III: Kirk Conspiracy

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Permalink Reply by Zero Kid on March 7, 2008 at 9:50pm

I honestly would have to say no. I mean, you wouldn't know what would happen unless this has happened before, which it has not. I doubt they knew that would actually happen.

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Permalink Reply by admirallukehart on March 8, 2008 at 11:17pm

Ok think about this...one of the last lines kirk says is this in ST II while he is looking at the viewscreen toward Genesis: "All is well. And yet I can't help wondering about the friend I leave behind. "There are always possibilities," Spock said. And if Genesis is indeed life from death, I must return to this place again."

Kirk was a gambler, a main theme in this movie was that he doesn't believe in a no win situation.

He believed, he theorized ,that Spock would be alive, regenerated. NOW WE ALL KNOW HE HAD NO IDEA SPOCKS KATRA WAS IN MCCOY. HOWEVER, kirk wanted spock to live. In sending him to genesis he had lived, although kirk had no idea Genesis was so volatile, nor of anything that would happen in ST III.

It was good enough for kirk that his friend was alive. After that, he would figure out what to do later...that was Kirk, thats how he did things.

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Permalink Reply by Zero Kid on March 9, 2008 at 8:58am

That's true and anythin' can happen.

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Permalink Reply by TribbleWrangler on March 9, 2008 at 11:08am

Hear, Hear!!!
Well-put, I must say!

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Permalink Reply by Fleet Admiral Gracie on June 1, 2008 at 1:30am

I've read that Saavik reprogramed the torpedoes trajectory.

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Permalink Reply by admirallukehart on June 8, 2008 at 10:09pm

if you go by canon, go by the script as portrayed on screen...you cannot say at all that saavik set that trajectory.

OF COURSE he hoped spock would survive! BUT he didnt know that MCCOY had his katra! He more than likely was going to be happy to have his friend alive in body, if not in soul. Kirk was always one to do things first and think about what to do next later....

and lets look at the line again...."There are always possibilities," Spock said. And if Genesis is indeed life from death, I must return to this place again

Kirk held onto the possiblity that Genesis would renew spock's life. Kirk loved him so much, he just wanted his friend to live..

The best way to hide his intentions in this place is in the wide open...he implies that he put spock on genesis, and plainly says he is going to return to the planet.

lets see what others say...

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Permalink Reply by T'Bree on June 28, 2008 at 3:48pm

Kirk was always one to wring hope out of hopelessness. McCoy even suggests this notion to Kirk when they watch the Enterprise explode. Yeah, I do think it's possible he flirted with the idea that Spock might regenerate, even if the odds were against him. By all standards, the photon tube should have burned up in re-entry. But then again, Kirk always played the odds. This time he was giving his best friend that final chance. How could he do less? And certainly, nothing was harmed for the trying.

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Permalink Reply by bryan on June 28, 2008 at 5:02pm

That is interesting for I have wondered that to! Just the way it is all setup. I need more time to think, I'll be back.

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Permalink Reply by Liz on July 14, 2008 at 3:38pm

No I dont think that spocks torpedo landed on the surface on purpose. Remember that in the third star trek that kirk was very surpised to find out that spock could be resurrected. If it wasnt for spocks father telling him this information then kirk would not have gone back to genesis. Anyway leanord nimoy wasnt sure if he was going to come back and do star trek anymore. It was originally set for the torpedo to land on the surface but when he said that he would do this thing for the last couple of movies then that is when they used the torpedo scene to being him back. So I dont think that Kirk purposely planned for the torpedo to land on the surface in hopes that spock would be revived.

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Permalink Reply by admirallukehart on February 27, 2009 at 11:48pm

how would kirk have known that spocks tube landed on genesis at all? its not about conjecture its in his script...kirk said

And if Genesis is indeed life from death, I must return to this place again

what else could this mean????

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Permalink Reply by Di Bott on July 20, 2008 at 4:48am

Going by what is on the screen, the torpedo was SHOT out of the Enterprise (not just released) it clearly had a trajetory that landed it safely on the Genesis planet, therefore we must assume SOMEONE programed the firing of that torpedo. Saavik is a good candidate as she had the authority and opportunity to do it (Kirk would have been distraught at this point and would have probably left the details to his crew). To Saavik, the only logical hope for Spock would have been to attempt to safely land the tube and hope that the genesis effect would revive/reanimate Spock.

Kirk staring lovingly at the Genesis planet and feeling 'young' I think shows that he has realised the same hope that Saavik had and that he WOULD return to this planet to find his beloved friend

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Permalink Reply by Emissary(AKA Goatsloth) on January 30, 2009 at 6:55pm

Hmmmm...well,if it was supposed to go into the sun,why didn't it?Kirk doesn't know anything about katras or fal tor pan so i don't see how he could have anticipated it.

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