STAR TREK XII

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Comment by Phil Edgley on September 27, 2012 at 6:06pm

In the original series the show was the adventures of Captain Kirk. In the movies , however, Kirk and Spock were pretty much co-equals. I doubt anyone at Paramount gave much serious thought of a movie with just Kirk or a with just Spock.It's like Sherlock Holmes and Doctor Watson, and The Lone Ranger and Tonto. In The Undiscovered Country it was an ensemble movie with Spock indeed in a central role, but Kirk as the focal point. After all it was Kirk with the last word as the Enterprise flew off into cinematic history. And rightfully so.

Comment by Robert Brennan on September 27, 2012 at 10:23am

Hi Phil, sorry to have to disagree with you on this point. ST-III - The Search For Spock {though he had less screen time the plot is in the title) ST-VI - The Undiscovered Country (Spock took the lead as a Sherlock Holmes style investigator) ST-X - Spock was central to the main plot, even Chekov had a more decisive role. Kirk had his heroic moments but not the primary focus as originally envisioned by G.R. for TOS specifically. Just say'n.

Comment by Gal XE Questr on September 13, 2012 at 4:37pm

lol. You're reading too much into the poster. I just happened to have that Spock image, which lent itself to a "dark" theme with some enhancement. Here's one you'll like better. I agree about the whole "darker & edgier" thing that's been coming out of Hollywood for years, no, decades. If there wasn't so much testosterone-driven bias, they'd notice family fare - anything Pixar, for instance - is big box office. Even on TV, Once Upon A Time is a big hit, and that's geared towards women with romantic adventure themes. If JJ & co mistakenly added the Uhura/Spock thing to the story to cater to women, he should have tried talking to some of us, first. All the female fans I know are into character issues, not romantic trysts. But of course most guys are into physicality, not psychology.

Comment by Phil Edgley on September 13, 2012 at 3:01pm

Every movie based on the original series has Kirk as it's focal point. And the TNG movies revolved arounf Picard. Star Trek has always been about a ship's captain. Spock essentially is Kirk's sidekick even though he has a large following of his own. Optimism isn't Hollywood's forte particularly in sequels.

Comment by Robert Brennan on September 13, 2012 at 11:32am

Everything out of Hollywood is 'Into Darkness' these days. Everything from Peter Pan to Snow White must be "dark". Give me a break. I'm hoping this isn't yet another Spock focused feature since Gene Roddenberry's original concept was about Capt.Kirk and his star ship Enterprise.

Comment by Phil Edgley on September 12, 2012 at 8:33pm

Batman is called the "Dark Knight", Superman "The Man of Steel" and James Bond "007".But no character in a series or movie has been said to be "startrekking". So calling it something into darkness--Kirk, Spock, McCoy--is one thing but "Star Trek" into darkness is sorta absurd.. Oh well, we still have nearly a year for them to come up with something more logical.

Comment by Gal XE Questr on September 12, 2012 at 6:04pm

Hey, Admiral, shouldn't the name of this group be changed to Star Trek Into Darkness? I'm not loving the title, but at least they finally decided on one.

Comment by Gal XE Questr on September 12, 2012 at 5:50pm

Wil, you can probably find exceptions, but I remember the "technobabble" as mostly legitimate sci-fi extrapolation of current scientific theory. I tend to pay attention to that sort of thing. Zeke; why would you need to know what the Romulans were doing during that time to understand the movie? We know they attacked Klingons; we assume they had plenty to do, just surviving and preparing and following the orders of their nutcase captain. Details don't seem relevant.

Comment by Phil Edgley on September 10, 2012 at 9:40pm

More likely than not the next Star Trek TV series won't come out unitl after Star Trek 14. Star Trek: The Next Generation didn't get green light until after Star Trek 4: The Voyage Home when the aging original cast began to become a concern for Paramount. Not a problem for the current cast, but the time would be ripe for a new TV series like, say, a new version of Star Trek: The Next Generation with new characters, ship and set 40 years ahead of the movies. And lets hope that this time they get it right.

Comment by Wil Hostman on September 10, 2012 at 4:55pm

TNG was often "saved by technobabble gadget of the week"… same for voyager. So the red matter only gets dinged for base-level implausibility.

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